Adrianne: The internet doesn’t have all the answers, but that doesn’t mean we can’t find them. This is Underunderstood.

Billy: I’m Billy Disney.

Adrianne: I’m Adrianne Jeffries.

John: I’m John Lagomarsino.

Regina: I’m Regina Dellea.

John: Today on the show, Adrianne finds a mysterious note.

Adrianne: I work in a WeWork for my day job, that’s not Underunderstood, and the other day I was walking through the lobby area which is where they have reception and they have a bunch of events there. And we noticed that the counter in the kitchen was covered with 100 dollar bills.

Regina: What?

Billy: The counter… you mean like under some kind of laminate? Or just loose 100 dollar bills?

Adrianne: They were like, fanned out on the counter, and there also, there was like a wire thing with like, a piggy bank, and 100 dollar bills sticking out of it like a tree.

And they were having some kind of personal finance event; they had like, bank representatives there to talk to people and they were giving away pens. Anyway, we’re like what is with the 100 dollar bills? So we walked over to check them out, and these, it turns out were not real 100 dollar bills, but they were extremely realistic looking prop 100 dollar bills. Like illegally realistic looking prop 100 dollar bills.

John: There are exceptions to this, I think, for prop houses.

Regina: No, I remember looking into getting fake bills printed for a shoot once, and it was really complicated what you were and weren’t allowed to do, because you couldn’t make them too realistic.

Adrianne: These were pretty realistic, but they did have a pretty obvious giveaway, which was that there was some Chinese writing. All right so here’s the close-up of what the bills looked like.

John: Wha-? Oh…

Regina: Are those like, dashes in the corner on a normal 100 dollar bill?

John: No, they’re not.

Regina: Also, okay.

John: So, what we’re looking at, we’re looking at, there’s a diagonal series of like, dash, lines in the top right corner that kind of run over the number hundred, the number one-hundred. Um, also the Chinese, the Chinese… When you said there was Chinese writing on these I wasn’t expecting it to be hot pink.

Regina: Right, and very large.

Billy: It looks sick as hell, I’m not going to lie.

Regina: Definitely very street wear-esque.

Billy: Yeah. If they did a special addition hundred dollar bill for this, I’d definitely like, be on eBay copping that hundred dollar bill for like $150 or whatever.

Adrianne: Anyway, I’m talking about this with my coworkers because we’re like, this is so realistic it seems like it can’t be legal, even with the Chinese writing, even with the little dashes in the corner, like no one’s going to notice the little dashes in the corner, and it seems pretty possible that people would overlook even the Chinese writing.

Billy: You think?

Adrianne: Bills in circulation have writing on them sometimes, you know?

Billy: Right.

Adrianne: Anyway, we’re talking and we’re like what are these things? Why did someone make them? One of my coworkers is like, oh I bet it’s hell money. Which is like-

John: It’s what?

Adrianne: Hell money?

Regina: What’s that?

Adrianne: It’s like, an East Asian tradition. It’s money that you burn for the afterlife. So, we’re like oh yeah that makes sense, hell money, it’s got Chinese characters on it; but we looked it up and hell money is nowhere near this realistic, it’s like, just black and white, basically; and it didn’t look like the same thing. So I kept looking and I found a bunch of articles and a blog post and a Reddit post of people saying this is training money for Chinese bank tellers to teach them how to recognize American currency.

John: Whoa.

Billy: What? I mean, if anybody has access to money, you’d think it would be… banks? Can’t they just use real money?

Regina: But maybe it’s like in classrooms and stuff.

John: Do you know what the Chinese text on the, on these bills says?

Adrianne: Yeah, so I asked a few friends who speak Chinese to translate, and they came back with: the big letters say something like coupon or ticket or cash-type, and the smaller letters say, training materials not for circulation.

John: Oh.

Regina: Okay. Well, that lines up.

Adrianne: Right, but I mean, just because the bill says it’s training materials, doesn’t mean it’s actually training materials, you know?

Regina: Yes.

Adrianne: Like, hundred dollar bills do lie.

John: I don’t know I just feel like the text wouldn’t be hot pink if they were trying to actually counterfeit these bills. It’s on both sides.

Billy: I actually think that somehow works in its favor. I mean, people should look at the picture of this, if they don’t understand what we’re saying, it looks well integrated into the design to me. You know how there’s that blue streak that goes over the bill?

Adrianne: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Billy: I mean, there’s all kinds of stamps that end up on bills.

Regina: Right.

Billy: You could think maybe it was just processed by some Chinese bank and they put a stamp on it or something?

Adrianne: This is my question because a bunch of these articles are about local police departments that discovered this money through counterfeiting. Some of them, it seems like people did get duped and local businesses took the money and then reported it later, and so the police were issuing a warning like, watch out for those bills with Chinese characters on them, they are not real. But the articles would say it’s Chinese bank teller training money and then not quote any Chinese bank tellers or any banking experts, or anybody to explain what Chinese bank teller training money is.

My question about these things is, is there really such a thing as Chinese bank teller training money? Or is this just what people write on these bills in order to sell them as counterfeits and say that they’re legal?

John: Coming up, we discover our new favorite YouTube genre.

John: Hit us, Adrianne.

Adrianne: You guys remember the pitch?

Billy: Uh, I don’t know, do I remember? Yeah. Yes.

Adrianne: So I wanted to find out, are these things actually used to train bankers in China. Is that a real thing?

John: So do you have the answer?

Adrianne: Um, so that’s a blunt thing to ask. I have a lot of information, I think we can say, there will be understanding had.

Billy: Wait sorry, are we doing the show?

John: Yeah.

Adrianne: Yes.

Billy: Oh, this is the show.

John: Hi Billy, welcome to our podcast.

Billy: I’m sorry I-

Adrianne: This is Underunderstood.

Billy: Okay sorry.

Adrianne: So the first person I talked to actually bought the 100 dollar bills that I saw at work.

Jade: My name is Jade and I work at 33 Irving Place, WeWork.

Adrianne: Jade’s title is Community Lead, Hospitality, and she was the one who decorated the event I saw, which was apparently for something called National Financial Awareness Day.

Jade: I am very creative by nature, so I love to take the opportunity whenever we have events, I throw maybe five to seven every week, to just make it fun, um, sometimes use tacky but cute decoration, like today we did the dollar bills, the piggy bank, anything like that.

Adrianne: So we noticed that this- these bills look really realistic, and like, as we walked by we were like whoa we have to check out what this is. Where did you find them?

Jade: Mm-hmm (affirmative). I know.

So I just got them on Amazon. I looked for the ones that looked more authentic, and I, just because I didn’t want to get that from people: oh whoa, what is this? And we did get that and a lot of people walked up like, wow, and then they’re like, oh my god. In fact, all the people asked me if they can take one, so you can take one if you like.

Adrianne: I did take one, if that’s all right . And would you be able to find the listing on Amazon if I wanted to check it out?

Jade: Uh, I probably should be able to, if I do a little digging, I’m sure I can.

Adrianne: So Jade goes into her phone, and she starts scrolling back in her Amazon history, which is a lot of stuff, she buys a ton of stuff on Amazon for WeWork, so it took a little while. Finally she found the right listing, but once she clicked through, it was gone.

Billy: Oh wow.

Jade: Oh wow, it’s not there anymore. See? This is the name of it, Winkeye’s. 100 piece prop money, hundred dollar bills, so it’s (crosstalk)

Adrianne: Okay, so that’s- it doesn’t say the listing anymore? Probably taken it down?

Jade: They probably took it down.

Billy: Yeah I’m looking at it now and everything looks super fake. There’s like a thousand dollar bill with the statue of liberty, there’s one with Trump on it, there’s this really sick marijuana one for $420.

Adrianne: Right, so after I talked to Jade, I went back to my office and I was like… I need this money. And there are actually still a bunch of listings that I was able to find, sometimes they’re listed as prop money, sometimes they’re listed as educational tools, toys for kids, and I found what looked like the exact same bills. Hundred dollars, it has the same pink characters and everything. And then, like ten minutes later, I was like, I’m going to buy them, and I go back to the listing, and it’s gone. Literally… Literally ten minutes or less.

Regina: Oh my god.

Billy: Wow.

Adrianne: These listings are just constantly popping up and disappearing, so the next listing I found that looks like the same, basically the same bills, they’re twenties but it’s the same characters, it looks basically the same, and I’m like, I’ve got to grab it right away before it disappears. So, I bought it. It’s a pack of 200 twenties for $12.99.

John: Seems like a deal.

Billy: Yeah.

Adrianne: You guys want to see them?

Regina: Yeah… Can we see them?

Adrianne: They came really nicely packaged. They were in like plastic bags with like, a little paper belt around the middle, and here’s what it looks like.

Billy: Oh yeah, these look pretty real. How do they feel? Do they feel real?

John: What’s the hand-feel of these bills?

Adrianne: They actually feel kind of real to me, I would say the hand-feel is good, like, if you crumpled it up, it feels like the right thickness…

Sounds right.

John: Sounds thick.

Regina: It does sound kind of thick…

Adrianne: ASMR podcast.

Billy: All right, now I’m going to crumple a real bill… Okay.

John: About the same!

Adrianne: Yeah, they sound the same in both instances to me.

Billy: Yeah, small sample size but I’m going to say the same.

Adrianne: All right, I got these twenties, one of my coworkers bought some other twenties that had Cyrillic characters that were even harder to tell from sort of far away, but if you looked up close, instead of Jackson it said Cruger; and it said Donetsk City instead of the White House, on the back, and it had little Cyrillic characters. But you could definitely pass them off.

So, we’re like, opening our money in the office and like, pretty much derailing everybody from working.

Adrianne: It definitely looks like the same… Oh it’s actually different.

Crosstalk: (crosstalk) It does look kind of similar- (crosstalk)

Adrianne: The hundred is pink and the twenty is red.

Crosstalk: Yeah… Is it the same, is it the same characters? It looks like the same characters. Yeah.

Adrianne: The bills came really quickly. It was the same Chinese writing, same exact characters, and they actually came through Amazon’s Fulfilled By Amazon’s service, which means that there’s a warehouse in Kentucky filled with fake money that Amazon was itself shipping out to customers. We asked Amazon for comment and they sent a statement saying basically they don’t allow illegal items, they are continuously scanning for products that break the law or their policies, and they take action against sellers that violate these rules.

My coworkers thought the bills clearly looked fake, but that they would be decent enough for training people, if the goal was to recognize what U.S. currency looks like.

Crosstalk: Yeah but I guess if the plan was it’s just to be able to recognize what a real one looks like… it definitely has all the same… things.

Yeah… It definitely does the job.

Adrianne: I now have a bunch of fake money sitting on my desk and there’s two twenties that are on my computer, and I look at them and do a double take all the time, they look so real.

At this point, I actually, despite distracting all my coworkers, I had kind of a busy week at work and in life. So I asked a reporter I’ve worked with before, Jon Christian, to help me make inquiries on this story.

Jon Christian has the kind of the obsessive brain that this story requires, so I asked him to help me figure out, one, whether these bills are what they claim to be, and two, whether they’re even legal at all. And the second question was easy to answer. Jon just emailed the secret service…

John: As you do.

Adrianne: Right? Bad news for me, and Jade.

John: Oh no.

Adrianne: The spokesperson said these bills are quote, “illegal,” and that quote “individuals found in possession of these notes should expect to forfeit them to lawful authorities. Additionally, individuals attempting to obtain goods or services by spending these notes should expect to be arrested for passing counterfeit.”

I love how they’re like, should expect. Your expectations should be that you should expect to forfeit them, and you should expect to be arrested. Just expect that.

Billy: Right… Yeah, it’s not that you could be arrested, you will be arrested, you will be, it’s just a matter of time.

Adrianne: The quote continues, “the Secret Service is working with the United States attorney’s office and e-commerce sites to remove these products from their websites.” End quote. The rules for this stuff are super strict. Any fake bill has to be either 1.5 times larger than real money or three-quarters the size of real money, and in addition to that it can only be one-sided. Like, it can only look like a bill on one side.

So by the Secret Service guidelines as far as I could tell, pretty much all the listings I found for fake money, even the ones that don’t look that convincing, are still illegal in the U.S.

Billy: Yeah so these ones that you have, if you hold them up to a regular bill, they’re like the same size basically.

Adrianne: Exactly the same size.

Billy: Wow. Okay.

Adrianne: There were also a bunch of news reports about these bills.

Newscaster: Big Island police say there’s been an increase in counterfeit cash on the island. Retailers tell us the fake money is becoming harder to catch. Big Island police say they have received multiple reports of fake 100 dollar bills. The counterfeit cash has Chinese characters on the front and back.

Adrianne: Here’s another good one.

Newscaster: In April, Portland police arrested this man… Investigators say Brandon Wintfringham used prop money to buy a $1600 motorcycle from another man. So where did he get the bogus bills?

Speaker: Amazon. He ordered the money from Amazon.

Newscaster: Did you see it?

Speaker: Uh, I signed for it.

News: How much did he buy?

Speaker 10: I’m not sure how much was there, but, it was Amazon .

John: This guy’s good.

Adrianne: That was the guy’s roommate.

Billy: That’s an amazing quote.

Adrianne: We also found out that these bills are not new. So John interviewed a guy named Wayne Homren.

Wayne: My role is the editor for the weekly newsletter that I publish for the Numismatic Bibliomania Society. And uh, we are a group of people who like books about coins, anything that has been written about coins, tokens, medals, paper money; uh, that’s what me and my readers are interested in.

Adrianne: One of Wayne’s colleagues in the scene came across an eBay listing for a $50 bill in 2011. This bill looks exactly like our hundred. There’s some pink Chinese characters that say the same thing. The eBay listing says, quote “Hello dear friends, quality of the item is very good. My husband is the senior management of the Bank of China, to provide Canada, France, Japan, Hong Kong, German, Italy, Switzerland, Australia, the United States, the Euro, and other countries of the different denominations and various banks in China.”

Wayne: And you know the first time I saw this, it was new to me, so I put it in there to see if my readers have seen any of these.

Adrianne: He quotes the listing and says if this is true or not, I do not know. What I do know is they make an interesting novelty note, and then he does a call out to his readers to send in information about the note. Unfortunately, his readers don’t really know anything, but Wayne thinks the bank teller explanation is totally plausible. I couldn’t find anything to suggest that banks in the U.S. do this, or that anyone in the U.S. does this, use fake currency to practice counting, or practice anything with money. But this sort of thing has happened in the past.

Wayne: If you go back into the, 19th century and late 1800s, early 1900s, there were business schools all across the country, and their job was to take people and to train them to be clerks. Either at the stores or as bank tellers. And this, part of that training, they literally taught them how to count and manage money. And they printed their own sample money for their students to use, and they had a denominations, and it kind of looked like regular money.

Adrianne: There was another related phenomenon that sort of popped up when we were doing research on this, which was that movie money, like money used as props in films, is highly regulated. You weren’t even allowed to put real money on film at all, when movies first came out, although the law changed later. And now, you can have prop money and you can put real money on camera, but the prop money just can’t look too real. And then if people walk off the set and start trying to spend it, which has happened, then the production can get in a ton of trouble.

99% Invisible did a great episode about prop money in November 2017 called Money Makers, and if you want to hear more about this, you should definitely check it out. Anyway, this was all kind of going nowhere, so I had to talk to a Chinese banker.

John: Ooh. That’s nice.

Regina: Feels like an alarm.

Lindsay: Hello?

Adrianne: Hi Lindsay… Hi there… Nice to meet you.

Lindsay: Yeah, yeah. Nice to meet you too.

Adrianne: This is Lindsay He, she works for the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China in Guangzhou, which is 12 hours ahead of New York. So we talked over WeChat at 7 p.m. her time, which was 7 a.m. my time.

Lindsay: Hi, did you just wake up?

Adrianne: Yeah I did, do I sound like it?

Lindsay: No, I’m just saying it’s quite early.

Adrianne: Lindsay doesn’t work at the actual counter in her bank, she works with businesses doing loans. However, she told me that yes, Chinese bankers practice counting using fake money, but it’s fake renminbi, the national Chinese currency.

Adrianne: Why not use paper that’s the same size but has something else printed on it. Why make it look realistic?

Lindsay: Yes, because in the real world, we’re actually working on the counter, we are actually touching the real money. So we have to pretend we are actually using the real money. But you know the thickness will also be different sizes, the money actually will be more thinner. [It] can make you feel as if you are actually working.

Adrianne: So the training is more realistic?

Lindsay: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, definitely.

Adrianne: And, in China, counting money is a big deal.

Lindsay: Yeah, we have to learn to count as fast as possible. And then the second is you have different ways to count. We have to learn different kinds of ways. Like we have to use one finger, two finger, or five fingers, right? So if you see some videos on YouTube or something, you can see some Chinese who work in the bank, they actually can count so fast, and we can just have different ways.

Adrianne: There are a ton of these videos on YouTube, of Chinese bank tellers counting money, insanely quickly, using very weird, like, finger coordination.

John: Oh my god. Whoa. Oh my god.

Regina: This is crazy.

Billy: Yeah if you’re listening at home you need to click the link in the show notes and watch what this person is doing, it is unreal.

Regina: What?

John: I don’t think I could count numbers this quickly in my head.

Adrianne: All right, and then, okay, so then, there’s this… all right? Is everybody ready? Are you done watching the counting videos?

John: I’m still watching the bills. No, we got to just give this a minute please… Yeah… I’ve never seen anything like this.

Billy: I think this is my ASMR.

John: Yeah.

Billy: I’m really enjoying watching this.

Adrianne: It’s nice. Yeah, okay is everybody ready? Watch this with the sound.

John: I’m clicking it… What?

Billy: Oh my god. Oh my god.

John: The title of this video is “Chinese Bank Teller Counts Cash by Ear.” Oh my god.

Regina: No… No…

Adrianne: Does someone want to describe what’s happening?

John: Yeah, I’ll describe what’s going, happening right here . There’s a woman sitting at a table, blindfolded, and it looks like it’s a game show, and it looks like she has two people, one on either side of her, and these people are flipping through bills, extremely quickly, and she, she’s sitting there with her head down, concentrating really intensely, I guess counting these bills, just based on the sound of two people flipping through the bills (crosstalk) And how close did she get? She got it exactly right. She counted 88 bills this way.

Adrianne: She got it. Yeah.

There are tons of these cash counting competitions in China. Where they’re like, the four fastest bank tellers come together and face off. And they gather and they count bills blindfolded, or they try to set time records for counting bills.

Billy: They’re going through a lot of money.

Adrianne: Well, so… All right, that’s another thing I should mention.

Billy: Or are these like a really small denomination of money in China?

Adrianne: Yeah, so that’s the thing… First of all there’s a lot of people in China, they have this economy that’s mostly gangbusters for the past 20 years and Chinese notes are in really small denominations. The largest bank note is the 100 renminbi or 100 yuan, which is about $14. That’s their largest bank note.

John: Got it.

Adrianne: Lindsay used to live in the U.S., so I asked her how the banks are sort of different or comparable.

Lindsay: Actually it would be kind of the same as here, just you know, China has too much people, so the bankers working on the counter, they’re quite busy, and they need to count as fast as possible and make it correct. But U.S., they actually would be slower, a little bit, because they are not, they don’t have that much people to waiting, so they don’t need to care that much if they are fast or not.

Adrianne: I think Chinese banking is just on a whole different scale. Like, when I asked Lindsay about the training for tellers, she was like, well you know if you’re training 100 people at a time, you can’t use real money or people will steal it.

Regina: Oh my god.

John: Is part of this like, automation? Or like, lack of auto-, like this seems, I don’t think about bank tellers that much in the U.S.

Adrianne: Interesting question.

John: I never, I never go to the counter, I don’t know many other people who deal with cash that much at the bank anymore. So like, like, why is this a specialized skill in China and not in the U.S.?

Adrianne: This does seem to be kind of a transitional moment where this art of being a bank teller and being able to count money super fast, like, they have machines to do it now. And Lindsay told me it’s basically just the beginners who go through this training. There’s also, you know, there’s like 3 million bank tellers in China, and their jobs are being threatened by automation. But it’s like physical counting machines.

John: But that, that’s another good point. Even in the states they’ve got those things that you put the stack of bills in.

Adrianne: Yeah, they don’t count the money themselves. So it’s, it seems like it’s really kind of like, mostly being kept alive because of these competitions, and this pride in this skill. Like it reminds me of the London cab drivers, you know, they talk about the knowledge with a capital K, that all the London cabbies have to know the ins and outs of the London streets like the back of their hand and then all of a sudden Uber comes in and people are just like, Google maps, like huh.

But back to the main question. Are fake U.S. bills used to train Chinese bank tellers? I asked Lindsay and she said, yeah, she believes it.

Lindsay: Yeah, yeah definitely.

Adrianne: So you believe it? That- (crosstalk)

Lindsay: I think it is right. Yeah, yeah.

Adrianne: Tellers that have to handle foreign currency, would need to be trained with foreign currency, she says.

Lindsay: And then our colleagues who work in the counter, they need to identify all the currencies the customer provided them.

Adrianne: But when I pressed her on this, I was like, why are you so convinced? And she was like, well, the bill says it’s for training so it must be for training. You can’t pass it off as real so what else would it be for?

Lindsay: If you use as real money, it’s actually easier to identify. I think you cannot use it as a real.

Adrianne: I kind of don’t buy it. Like, Lindsay has never seen a U.S. bill like this in person. Nobody we talked to had any hard confirmation that this is the same stuff is used in China.

Jon Christian and I asked a bunch of banks, journalists, Chinese friends, academics, educators, and collectors whether the kinds of money I got at work are really used to train Chinese bank tellers; and a few people said they had heard the same rumor where they thought it was believable, but nobody was able to confirm it. And for me, that’s kind of a red flag. I think it’s clear there’s a lot of demand for these for legitimate purposes, like decorations, like financial awareness day, and as film props, which it kind of turns out is kind of an underserved industry because of what a pain secret service is about prop money. There’s toys for kids, I read Amazon reviews from people who seemed like real people saying that their kid enjoyed playing with this money. You could use them in classrooms with students.

There was one listing that said, quote “Do you need some copy money for a cool prank you could play your friends and family? Look no further than our cool copy 50 dollar bill set.”

Billy: There’s also so many people that do amateur or low budget music videos where they would want a bunch of bills like this and they don’t have like, a 50 million dollar movie budget.

Adrianne: Yes. The Amazon listing for my note, the one where the Chinese characters on the actual bills say it’s practice money. According to multiple Chinese speakers we asked to translate it, it actually said something else in the description. The description for the money that I bought, which again, we know the characters say for training purposes, not for circulation; but the listing described it as quote “features with characters clearly stating copy money and for motion picture use only as it shows.” But that’s not what the characters say. That company also sells a shower drain hair catcher, motorcycle parts, how-to books, spices, and oven mitts, by the way. And based on these news reports and the fact that some people brag in their Amazon reviews that they passed these off as the real thing, some of these are getting into circulation as counterfeits. So these are all these use cases for these bills and the only place where it’s not clear that it’s in demand or being used is officially for training at Chinese banks.

Regina: Hm.

Adrianne: We tried to prove that Chinese banks actually use these notes to train employees and we hit a ton of sources in China and the U.S., and Europe, and the fact that nobody was able to definitively confirm this, tells me it’s not a real thing. I don’t think it’s a real thing. I think it’s a thing that seems like a real thing, that the printers of this money add in order to give themselves plausible deniability.

There is one place that could definitively answer this for us, which is the People’s Bank of China, their central bank that has obsessive control over everything that has to do with money in the country. But uh, I don’t know, they just don’t seem to really care about our podcast, about stuff that we couldn’t find on Google.

John: Well so Adrianne, how many, how many of these have you amassed now?

Adrianne: 200.

John: You got 200 of these things?

Adrianne: Yeah it was 13 bucks.

John: So we already know it’s not legal to have them and you should expect, you should expect to forfeit these to the government.

Billy: You should just lay on the ground with your hands behind your back until they show up.

Regina: Wait are you going to call the cops on yourself? Turn yourself in?

John: I mean I think that’s her only option, she has to expect that she has to forfeit these bills. I think she has to forfeit the bills.

Adrianne: Yeah so, because I do expect to have to forfeit them, I emailed the Secret Service, and I was like look, I’m sorry I bought these bills, where do I come to turn them in? You know, I can come down to Brooklyn, I’ll bring them with me. And they responded and said, you can just mail them in. So… I’m probably going to do that.

John: Underunderstood is produced by Adrianne Jeffries, Regina Della, Billy Disney, and me, John Lagomarsino.

Adrianne: Special thanks to Jon Christian who pitched in with a bunch of reporting for this episode, and I could not have done it alone. And special thanks to all the Chinese speakers who helped with this episode, including Clement Tan and Steph Yin. Thank you so much for listening. We are going to take a break.

John: We’re very tired.

Adrianne: We’re all very tired.

Billy: I feel fine.

John: Next week you’ll be hearing a Billy Disney monologue.

Billy: Yeah I’m just going to come on mic, talk about my cat.

Adrianne: All right, that won’t be happening, but we will be back with some more episodes in November.

John: But until then, don’t unsubscribe from the feed, because I don’t know, I feel like we’re going to put out some bonus stuff or something in between now and then, right?

Adrianne: Yeah. I think we have some ideas for stuff to do.

John: If you want to hear more from us, stay subscribed to the podcast, follow us on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, we will be active, we will be engaged, we will be jacked in, and we will be back with the podcast proper in November.

Billy: I- (crosstalk)

John: What, Billy?

Billy: I was just going to say that I also really want to thank all of you because we committed to doing eight of these, we did eight… We picked a hard show concept, but we did it, and I feel really proud of the stuff we did.

John: Yeah.

Adrianne: Me too.

Billy: So special thanks to you guys.

Adrianne: There’s nothing better than making good stuff with other people who are good at what they do.

John: I agree.

Regina: Thanks for listening.