{"id":1586,"date":"2019-12-17T12:07:40","date_gmt":"2019-12-17T12:07:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/?post_type=episode&#038;p=1586"},"modified":"2019-12-19T00:27:11","modified_gmt":"2019-12-19T00:27:11","slug":"capn-crunch-smaller","status":"publish","type":"episode","link":"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/episode\/capn-crunch-smaller\/","title":{"rendered":"The Incredible Shrinking Cap&#8217;n"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"modal-ready\">\n<h3 class=\"episode-descrip wp-block-heading\">Is Cap&#8217;n Crunch getting smaller or are we just getting bigger?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Show Notes<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#00:22\">00:22<\/a> &#8211; Cap&#8217;n Crunch was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.latimes.com\/archives\/la-xpm-2007-jun-06-me-passings6.3-story.html\">created by Pamela Low<\/a> in 1963.<\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#01:50\">01:50<\/a> &#8211; Urban Dictionary <a href=\"https:\/\/www.urbandictionary.com\/define.php?term=Cap%27n%20Crunch%20mouth\">defines Cap&#8217;n Crunch Mouth<\/a> as &#8220;When the roof of your mouth gets all torn up after eating Cap&#8217;n Crunch or some other rough food.&#8221;<\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#02:23\">02:23<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/episode\/911-hoax\/\">Underunderstood: The 9\/11 Hoax That Wasn&#8217;t<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#03:15\">03:15<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DHFGf-yq5Ng\">The Try Guys: Eugene Ranks The Most Popular Cereals<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#04:30\">04:30<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.barbaras.com\/products\/puffins-family\/peanut-butter-puffins\/\">Peanut Butter Puffins<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#05:56\">05:56<\/a> &#8211;  Cap&#8217;n Crunch not only pronounces his own name as &#8220;cap-en,&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RealCapnCrunch\/status\/417733066900008960\">but he also wants others<\/a> to pronounce every instance of the word &#8220;captain&#8221; that way as well.<\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#07:11\">07:11<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/i\/events\/1206810879888637953\">A collection of tweets claiming Cap&#8217;n Crunch has shrunk<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#08:21\">08:21<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/maximumfun.org\/podcasts\/my-brother-my-brother-and-me\/\">My Brother, My Brother and Me<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#08:24\">08:24<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/bowl\">Justin McElroy&#8217;s cereal podcast The Empty Bowl<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#08:41\">08:41<\/a> &#8211;  Pete is monitoring the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.themcelroy.family\/\">The McElroy Family website<\/a> with something like <a href=\"https:\/\/thp.io\/2008\/urlwatch\/\">urlwatch<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#09:38\">09:38<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/contact.pepsico.com\/capncrunch\/about-us\">Cap&#8217;n Crunch&#8217;s about page<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#11:04\">11:04<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/contact.pepsico.com\/capncrunch\">The contact page for Cap&#8217;n Crunch<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#11:31\">11:31<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=k6p1Ck0ab80\">charlie brown teacher talking wha wha for 5 min (YouTube)<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#12:31\">12:31<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mHkOtp-Ge3TS0bV43Qz-aQtVrvOpFBT3M\">Greatest Hits: Huey Lewis And The News (YouTube)<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#16:20\">16:20<\/a> &#8211; Partially hydrogenated oils (or PHOs) were deemed to be no longer classifiable as GRAS (which means &#8220;Generally Recognized as Safe&#8221;) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fda.gov\/food\/food-additives-petitions\/trans-fat\">by the FDA in 2015<\/a>. <\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#16:29\">16:29<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.worthpoint.com\/worthopedia\/vintage-1995-cap-crunch-cereal-box-1870084728\">Here are photos<\/a> of a box of Cap&#8217;n Crunch from 1995 with &#8220;partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil&#8221; listed as an ingredient. It seems to have been replaced with &#8220;palm and\/or coconut oil&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.walmart.com\/ip\/Cap-n-Crunch-Breakfast-Cereal-Original-20-Oz\/16923605\">in Cap&#8217;n Crunch currently sold in the United States<\/a>.<\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#18:38\">18:38<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/collectingcandy\">Jason Liebig on Twitter<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#18:44\">18:44<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"http:\/\/CollectingCandy.com\">CollectingCandy.com<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#19:25\">19:25<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.target.com\/p\/cap-39-n-crunch-cotton-candy-breakfast-cereal-11-4oz\/-\/A-54550374\">Cap&#8217;n Crunch&#8217;s Cotton Candy Crunch<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#20:14\">20:14<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/KWwOCV9Y6FU?t=223\">Cap&#8217;n Crunch XL review on YouTube<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#21:53\">21:53<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/collectingcandy\/\">Jason&#8217;s Instagram<\/a> is fun but <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/34428338@N00\/\">his Flickr is INCREDIBLE<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#23:06\">23:06<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.collectingcandy.com\/wordpress\/?attachment_id=575\">Rockin\u2019 the 80\u2019s \u2013 Tale of the 30-Year-Old Snickers<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#23:50\">23:50<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/1994\/11\/03\/business\/pepsico-pushes-a-star-performer.html\">New York Times article from 1994 about the Doritos redesign<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#24:55\">24:55<\/a> &#8211;  You&#8217;re probably tired of hearing about the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.snopes.com\/news\/2016\/07\/24\/the-mandela-effect\/\">Mandela effect<\/a> by now. There&#8217;s even<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=viwAykESWng\"> a thriller film<\/a> about it.<\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#25:05\">25:05<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/w\/index.php?title=Nerds_(candy)&amp;oldid=606469304\">An archived version of Wikipedia<\/a> featuring &#8220;Hot and Cold Nerds.&#8221;<\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#25:16\">25:16<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.collectingcandy.com\/wordpress\/?p=14470\">Nerds Hot and Cool &#8211; Discovered!! A CollectingCandy.com World Premiere!!<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#25:49\">25:49<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/IMG_4661.jpg\">Statement from Quaker Foods<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#27:17\">27:17<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC0vORAre7G8KmXzMSaSwcuw\">Cereal Time TV &#8211; Gabe Fonseca&#8217;s YouTube channel<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#27:46\">27:46<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/name\/nm1499089\/\">Gabe Fonseca on IMDB<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#27:48\">27:48<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/KFhC482Ew9E?t=133\">Gabe eating Cap&#8217;n Crunch from the 90s on YouTube<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#28:19\">28:19<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Screen-Shot-2019-12-15-at-8.28.00-PM.png\">Screenshot of Gabe holding old Cap&#8217;n Crunch up to the camera<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#29:46\">29:46<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/gabe_cc_measurement-scaled.jpg\">Gabe&#8217;s measurement on the vintage Cap&#8217;n Crunch box<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#30:16\">30:16<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/captain_crunch_size_comparison.png\">Billy&#8217;s photoshop to determine the size of 90s Cap&#8217;n Crunch<\/a><\/li><li><a class=\"jump-point button underline\" href=\"#34:45\">34:45<\/a> &#8211;  <a href=\"https:\/\/underunderstood.com\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/IMG_4663.jpg\">Official written statement from Cap&#8217;n Crunch<\/a><\/li><li>Episode artwork by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/_pasr_\/\">Phil Robibero<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n<span style='display:inline;'><input type='hidden' bg_collapse_expand='69ed38e0c30721021510016' value='69ed38e0c30721021510016'><input type='hidden' id='bg-show-more-text-69ed38e0c30721021510016' value='Transcript'><input type='hidden' id='bg-show-less-text-69ed38e0c30721021510016' value='Transcript'><a id='bg-showmore-action-69ed38e0c30721021510016' class='bg-showmore-plg-link bg-arrow '  style=\" color:inherit;\" href='#'>Transcript<\/a><span id='bg-showmore-hidden-69ed38e0c30721021510016' ><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This is Underunderstood.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey guys.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hey Billy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi Billy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I&#8217;ve asked you all to purchase something before we record today. Did you guys all get it?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina:<\/b> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John:<\/b> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Got it right here.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And what is it?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We&#8217;ve each got a box of Cap\u2019n Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Crunchitize me, Cap\u2019n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Commercial clip: Crunchitize me, Cap\u2019n! Welcome to my house!<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Thank you all for doing the homework assignment.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You&#8217;re welcome.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, thank you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, thank you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">When&#8217;s the last time each of you had Cap&#8217;n Crunch?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever had Cap&#8217;n Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it&#8217;s probably been at least 20 years, maybe 15 years.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No way. it&#8217;s probably been like, five years for me.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Well for me it&#8217;s definitely less than a year, but I just want you all to go ahead now and open it up and pour yourself some Cap&#8217;n Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, I don&#8217;t have a bowl.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I don&#8217;t have a bowl either.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wow. Okay guys.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I have a bowl. I have a bowl. I have a spoon. I also have a half gallon of milk in front of me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Of real milk? Like dairy milk?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Of dairy milk.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my God, you guys.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Are we supposed to eat it?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, go ahead. Pop. Pop some crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s so good.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m going to pour some milk on mine. Hang on.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, it&#8217;s so good. Oh my God.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So John and Regina, you&#8217;ve both have had it before.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yep.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is it how you remember it as a child?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">More or less, yes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Does it seem smaller?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, well wait. It seems smaller and it also, I think I remember the Cap&#8217;n Crunch as a kid, like leaving more of a film in my mouth.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That&#8217;s what I was going to say. I feel like my mouth used to hurt after or something.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So this is actually a known phenomenon. It&#8217;s called Cap&#8217;n Crunch mouth. Cap&#8217;n Crunch mouth is definitely a thing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I didn&#8217;t know that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But you&#8217;re saying you&#8217;re not experiencing much of that?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And what was the other thing you said?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s smaller.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Okay. Interesting. Both very interesting observations, and just to be clear, I didn&#8217;t prompt you with anything, right?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billyz; <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">All I said was, buy some Cap&#8217;n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is this a mind illusion?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">As you three know, one of our most popular episodes started with a question from my sister, the 9\/11 photo story. So I&#8217;ve been bugging her a lot since, just asking her, does she have any other questions that maybe she can&#8217;t find the answer to on the internet that could be used on a podcast?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m desperate for ideas.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It will exactly. I mean, as the younger sibling, I&#8217;m kind of an expert at taking her ideas and receiving all of the attention for them. And the other day she finally texted me and she said, I have something it has to do with Cap&#8217;n Crunch. And it came from her husband, Pete. Okay.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, so I&#8217;m 33 and I&#8217;ve never had Captain Crunch until roughly a month ago.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Uh, when, when would never, you&#8217;ve never had what\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Captain Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m sorry. You mean Cap&#8217;n Crunch?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cap\u2019n. Cap&#8217;n Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So we were watching a Try Guys video the other day, a couple of weeks ago, and they were reviewing like all the different types of cereals from best to worst. They were ranking them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Clip: Good morning kids. It&#8217;s me, Eugene the tiger,<\/span><\/i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">and in this episode of The Ranking, we are ranking cereal.]<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0Try guys, of course, are the viral YouTube stars formerly of BuzzFeed. You guys know the Try Guys, right? So Eugene from the Try Guys ranked Cap&#8217;n Crunch as the number two cereal out of the 23 that he tried.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Behind what?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cinnamon Toast Crunch was number one.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Strong first choice.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Capn\u2019 Crunch number two, Cinnamon Toast Crunch number one. But Pete had never had Cap&#8217;n Crunch much like you, Adrianne.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And we&#8217;re the same age.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There you go. So the next time Lisa and Pete were at the grocery store, they pick some up.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I sort of had expected Cap&#8217;n Crunch to be the same size as other cereals.<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I sort of thought it would be the same size as like a Frosted Mini Wheat, sort of like standard cereal size. Oh, I dunno. I just, when you look in the box, it&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s like a rectangular shape. And so I imagine that one Cap&#8217;n Crunch would fit in a spoon comfortably. But imagine my shock when I opened the Cap&#8217;n Crunch to discover that it was about a quarter of the size I expected it to be.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We eat a lot of Peanut Butter Puffins.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Okay.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Have you ever had a Peanut Butter Puffin before?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. It&#8217;s like, uh, the yuppie Cap&#8217;n Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. That&#8217;s the exact size that I thought Cap&#8217;n Crunch was going to be. I thought Cap&#8217;n Crunch was going to be both the size and texture of a Peanut Butter Puffin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, hang on.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It is not.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Sorry. Yeah. You&#8217;d like to jump in here?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. Hang on. Yeah. I&#8217;m looking at the box. It shows a spoonful of them. Yeah. And next to that spoon, right next to it, it says \u201cenlarged to show texture.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well. Sure. But who reads the fine print?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Peanut Butter Puffins box has a spoon on it and there are two Peanut Butter Puffins in it, so that suggests that the Peanut Butter Puffin is twice as large as the Cap&#8217;n Crunch unit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right. I think it&#8217;s actually much bigger than a piece of Cap&#8217;n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Really?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. But anyway, Pete wouldn&#8217;t stop talking about this.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s a square, <\/span><b>\u00a0<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">and you would think based on&#8230; and the image on the box we looked at earlier, I think he&#8217;s fitting, it definitely looks bigger on the box in the spoon than it, than it is in your hand or in your real life spoon.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, he is like a little cartoon man.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete<\/b><b>: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I know, but still.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So that&#8217;s not the question I&#8217;m trying to answer here. Obviously Pete thought Cap&#8217;n Crunch was going to be more like the cereal he normally buys at Trader Joe&#8217;s, and it was not. Nothing strange there. But then my sister had some.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I ate a lot of Captain Crunch as a kid.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You mean Cap&#8217;n Crunch?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s still pronounced Captain Crunch despite the apostrophe.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, well I&#8217;ll research that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anyway, at first I made fun of him for thinking it would be so big, but the more I was eating it, the more it did seem kind of small to me too. It just, it kind of seemed like a slightly mini version of what I remembered it to be. Um, and I remember it being kind of like, um, I don&#8217;t know, more mouth-hurty.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, really? You didn&#8217;t have the mouth, the mouth pain?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No. We&#8217;re about halfway through our box and it has not scratched my mouth yet.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So Lisa logs onto Google and she searches for this, and suddenly she finds that it&#8217;s not just her and Pete saying that Cap&#8217;n Crunch is now smaller and less abrasive.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lisa: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And it seemed like a lot of people on the internet areed that Cap&#8217;n Crunch is definitely smaller, but I couldn\u2019t find any actual sources to back it up.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Is this just that thing where things that you see as an adult seem smaller than they did when you were a kid because you were smaller?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s possible. But this is definitely very much a thing, specifically with Cap&#8217;n Crunch. So I did what she did and I started looking on the internet. I found a lot of tweets.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m seeing some now too. Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Here&#8217;s one. The Sammy Joe show says \u201cA very serious question: Did Cap&#8217;n Crunch pieces get smaller or did I get bigger?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Mrav51 says, \u201cIs it just me or, or has Cap&#8217;n Crunch gotten smaller through the years? #thingsyouremember\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">autumnbrogooky: \u201cMy brother literally just barged into the room to tell me that they made pieces of Cap&#8217;n Crunch smaller.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">bageltony: \u201cWe noticed recently we think they made Cap&#8217;n Crunch smaller so it doesn&#8217;t tear the roof up quite as much as it used to.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: The roof!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Did Cap\u2019n Crunch gets smaller or did I get bigger? Do you see that? Do you see all these people saying this? Like what is happening here?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems like they made it smaller and people noticed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: It seems like a trend.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. And Lisa and Pete seemed to think so too, and it was surprising to me that they came to me with this mystery because they are both extremely technically savvy and thorough.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">One thing, just kind of as an aside, since we were talking about cereal and we were talking about like what Pete watches on YouTube and what podcasts he listens to. He mentioned the McElroy brothers who do, my brother and my brother and me. You guys know them, of course.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">of course. I think we all listen to it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes. Well, they&#8217;re big fans of theirs, and I just want to include as an example of the lengths they&#8217;ll go to to solve a problem that they encounter online. One thing they said about their dedication to the McElroy brothers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I mean I even spun up a VM recently so that I can monitor their McElroy.family\u00a0 webpage for updates so that I can buy<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">tickets to their next tour as soon as they\u2019re posted. So I<\/span> <span style=\"font-weight: 400\">spun up a Linode VM. Um, it&#8217;s only like half working, but it&#8217;s almost there.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, really??<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes. Really.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you know of anyone else who has done this?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I hope not because they&#8217;ll get tickets before I do.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Wow.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Yeah.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hearing this, I&#8217;m actually kind of surprised that they weren&#8217;t able to find the answer to this themselves.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, me too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like I&#8217;m surprised Pete hasn&#8217;t built a bot or something to track the size of Cap&#8217;n Crunch over time.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. So I guess it&#8217;s up to us. It&#8217;s up to me to solve this mystery. So I want to know: has Cap&#8217;n Crunch changed? Is it less abrasive, but specifically has it gotten any smaller?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Who makes Cap\u2019n Crunch?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Cap\u2019n.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, the Cap\u2019n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We got to talk to the Cap\u2019n.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, it&#8217;s, it&#8217;s actually made by the Quaker Oats company, which is owned by Pepsi-Co. Anyway, I think we actually play out with Pete just complaining into the void about the size.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, Billy, it&#8217;s ridiculous. The size of Cap&#8217;n Crunch is ridiculous. If we&#8217;re being honest. It&#8217;s so small, Billy. It&#8217;s so small. I mean, I get that it\u2019s the size of a Cheerio, but, but it&#8217;s the shape of a rectangle. It should be the same size as Frosted Mini Wheats. That&#8217;s what it looks like. If anything, we should be suing them for false advertising. I mean, can we, can we all agree though? Billy, do you think that Cap&#8217;n Crunch is a small cereal? For what it is? Like, I don&#8217;t have a box of Kix in front of me, but I feel like even a single kix is, is larger than a single Capn\u2019 Crunch and that seems ridiculous. Kix are small!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Coming up, Billy gets to the bottom of the bowl.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know what? Actually, Billy, have you had Puffins recently?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Puffins really tear the crap out of my mouth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hello friends.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hello Billy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> What\u2019s up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s been about a week since we last spoke, I think, and let me just say, I am up to my eyeballs in Cap&#8217;n Crunch knowledge.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Gross.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> First thing I did, obviously, let&#8217;s try to go straight to the captain. I went on Cap&#8217;n Crunch\u2019s website and at the very bottom they have an 800 number.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">They actually have this number on the box too.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, really?\u00a0 great. Well, I called that number. Oh, I should explain. I am just calling customer service. I didn&#8217;t ask for permission to record them because I knew they would say, no, I just recorded my end. Uh, and I&#8217;ve replaced their voices with the voice of the teacher from Charles Schulz&#8217;s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, the only logical way to do it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi. Um, my name is Billy. I just had a question about the size of Cap&#8217;n Crunch. Would you maybe be able to help me with that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I\u2019m <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">trying to figure out if Cap&#8217;n Crunch has changed sizes ever in its history, uh, specifically if it&#8217;s smaller than it used to be.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The, the, the individual pieces of the cereal.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. No problem. Thank you very much.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[hold music]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">She put you on hold.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Yeah, so at this point, she put me on hold. I should also explain this isn&#8217;t their hold music. Their hold music was some kind of, it sort of sounded like a Huey Lewis or something.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. We don&#8217;t have money for that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right. We couldn&#8217;t afford Huey Lewis, so I paid $5 for this track on audiojungle.net. Anyway, when she comes back, she explains that her system isn&#8217;t showing that there has been any change to the size of the cereal.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What is the system like? Where would that be logged in a customer support system?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I don&#8217;t know. And so I tried to get to the bottom of this.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let me check the back end.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh really? So you&#8217;re able to go and, and look back into the history of the size of the cereal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, interesting. Uh, how, how far back are you able to look, if you don&#8217;t mind me asking?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I started to ask a lot of questions and I think the person on the other end started to get suspicious.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like maybe you are calling from a rival cereal brand?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Maybe.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Or maybe you were recording the call.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right? Yeah. They were just like, why are you asking so many questions?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Do you get this a lot, Billy?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What? Why am I asking so many questions? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ever since, ever since I was little.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. I&#8217;m a reporter. I&#8217;m working on a story.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[hold music]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Uh oh.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Now you get the press team.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes. As soon as I revealed that I&#8217;m put back on hold and when she returns, I&#8217;m stonewalled. So she takes my info, she gives me an email address and she says that all media questions are handled via that specific email and I have to reach out to them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems discriminatory.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know, it&#8217;s a very hostile time to be a journalist. So I&#8217;m suspicious that this is going to be fruitful, but I email the address anyway, but I&#8217;m instantly sort of feeling impatient.I know this is going to take awhile. So I decided to call the 800 number back from a different phone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s the same person!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I didn&#8217;t know if it was the same person. I was unsure and I got worried like what if it was the same person? What if they recognized my voice? So I kind of just panicked and I put a little twang on my voice. Oh God, I don&#8217;t know. Hi. Yes. Um, I had a question about Cap&#8217;n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh god.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi, yes. I had a question about Cap\u2019n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you. Appreciate it. Um, I was just wondering how far back you could go in terms of, Oh God, if you had the ability to see the history of Cap&#8217;n Crunch and perhaps if it&#8217;s changed?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s like Billy went back wearing a fake mustache.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m pretty sure it was a different person.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">They basically say it didn&#8217;t change. You shouldn&#8217;t have noticed they&#8217;re getting smaller, but then they say, at least not in the last several years, which is how far back, whatever kind of system they&#8217;re using as a reference, is able to go back.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What is this system?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">They have some kind of database where they can look up basic questions it seems like, but I can&#8217;t get them to confirm how far back customer support can look into product changes specifically. But the person does offer me this. Apparently in 2017, according to them, Cap&#8217;n Crunch stopped using hydrogenated oils, and when I ask why, they said it was to improve the product based on feedback from customers.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The customers were like, you know what? There\u2019s just too much hydrogenated oils in this thing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, could I hear you say hydrogenated oil in your accent?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hydrogenated oils.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Ugh, god.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, you can just pull that up on command, huh?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I can just slip into it pretty easily.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Great.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Anyway, we continued on. Okay, so if, if people think it&#8217;s become smaller, that seems to maybe be a misunderstanding, then.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So she starts to say that maybe it&#8217;s a perceptive thing and it just seems larger when you&#8217;re a kid.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Peanuts<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> nonsense noises]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, okay. Well, thank you very much. Uh, I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I got an answer, but it wasn&#8217;t an official answer. And. I don&#8217;t know if I can trust it. I don&#8217;t know how far back this mysterious system goes. You know, Quaker wasn&#8217;t bought by Pepsi-Co until 2001 and once I go through the official channels to get an answer, it&#8217;s kind of crickets. Days go by. I haven&#8217;t heard anything, so it&#8217;s pretty clear at this point, I need to take matters into my own hands.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Step one, obtain a vintage box of Cap&#8217;n Crunch. I search on eBay, on Craigslist. I venture into cereal enthusiasts message boards. Nowhere can I find an old box of Cap&#8217;n Crunch with the cereal still in it. There&#8217;s plenty of vintage boxes on eBay, but none of them have the cereal. It turns out most collectors, they might display a small portion of their collection, but usually if they have a big collection, the rest are flattened and stored away, sort of like comic books, but there has to be someone who has done something like this before that can give me advice. There has to be someone who has taken an old version of a food product and compared it to the present day version. And I found that person. His name is Jason and he&#8217;s a candy expert.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That doesn&#8217;t seem the same?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">They&#8217;re sugar. I mean, hold on, it\u2019s ringing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hello?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hello?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. Billy?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> So Jason runs the incredibly comprehensive website collectingcandy.com. He knows a lot about candy\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">These days I&#8217;m a confectionary historian and pundit. I&#8217;m sort of the arbiter of candy history.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I didn&#8217;t tell him what the question was about before calling him, so I shifted the conversation towards Cap&#8217;n Crunch. How familiar would you say you are with Cap&#8217;n Crunch?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s for me, for a guy who&#8217;s really into the brand history of things, it&#8217;s a, it&#8217;s pretty good to chew on. It&#8217;s nice. You know, you can definitely bite into some Cap&#8217;n Crunch history.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">When would you say is the last time you bit into actual Cap&#8217;n Crunch?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yesterday morning I had the Cotton Candy Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughter]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, okay, so it&#8217;s fair to say you have it frequently. You&#8217;re pretty familiar with it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I wouldn&#8217;t say, you know, I wouldn&#8217;t say I have it frequently necessarily.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s funny that you guys laugh at the cotton candy thing because he was so passionate about cotton candy flavoring\u2026 so he&#8217;s been hanging onto boxes as a special edition cotton candy Cap&#8217;n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But the problem is that all the special flavors of Cap&#8217;n Crunch are the ball shape, like the berries. They don&#8217;t make the classic pillow shape in any special flavor.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Oh weird.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Those are very streamlined. It&#8217;s just classic Cap&#8217;n Crunch if you want it in that shape and texture.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait is peanut butter crunch not the pillows?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Huh.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: And both peanut butter Cap&#8217;n Crunch and Crunch Berries come in an XL variety, which Quakers customer support had pointed out to me earlier, but in those cereals, they only ever enlarge the round pieces, so that&#8217;s not related to our mystery. Cotton candy Cap\u2019n Crunch isn&#8217;t related to our mystery, and peanut butter Cap&#8217;n Crunch isn&#8217;t related to our mystery, because it&#8217;s always round.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">like Jupiter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">What? Are you supplying Jupiter as a point of reference for round things?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: No&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes, it&#8217;s round like Jupiter.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wait, John, didn&#8217;t you just say something about Jupiter?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: No.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Laughter}<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I thought you were saying, like, even the Jupiter, special&#8230;\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He said even the peanut butter one.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Oh, I thought you said Jupiter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[laughter]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There is a special edition called cosmic crunch, which is a fan favorite, so&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">okay.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Again, special flavors don&#8217;t come in the classic pillow shape, so I try to direct the conversation back towards that.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So my question actually pertains to the pillow shape, sort of classic Cap\u2019n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">By all means.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Billy: When would you say this is the last time you&#8217;ve had that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, that was this week. Yeah, I had it this week because my last bowl of cotton candy crunch was a little low and I topped it off with regular Cap\u2019n Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Jason, well, you told me that you don&#8217;t have it frequently, but you&#8217;ve had it within the last week. So I think by most people standards that&#8217;s relatively frequently.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Point made.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Is this man okay?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I&#8217;m worried for him.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I promise you, he is very well. He has an Instagram. You can follow it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I thought you were about to say he has insulin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">He\u2019s been hoarding packages of the cotton candy flavor insulin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">No, he has Instagram. He&#8217;s on Instagram. You can follow him. He seems very delightful. Anyway, so I ask him, has Cap&#8217;n Crunch cereal changed? Are the pieces smaller? Are they less scratchy?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I don&#8217;t know for sure. Um, do I think it&#8217;s possible? Yes, it&#8217;s absolutely possible. Um, I will say this as sort of <\/span><b>the<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> guy for candy, um, I get a lot of people say, ah, these candy bars have shrunk and all these Reese&#8217;s peanut butter cups have shrunk.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Um, I do think there is a psychological tendency in memory to think that things were bigger when we were kids. Not saying that people don&#8217;t shrink things down, because that also occurs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Jason isn&#8217;t just speaking generally here, because he actually has specific experience with this. It turns out that Jason actually has directly compared products like this before.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Uh, you know, I did an article once where I had all these unopened bars of things from 1980 and I literally opened up like a Snickers bar from 1980, a Reese\u2019s peanut butter cup from 1980 and I did side by side comparisons and they were the same size.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Myth-busted.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, but it&#8217;s not always that way. Jason said that he did a similar test on crispy M&amp;M&#8217;s and found that they had changed and are generally smaller now, and there are plenty of other well-documented examples of popular food products changing their size.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Doritos rounded off the corners of the tortillas, right? To make them safer to eat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh, really?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. I do remember growing up with Doritos that could literally just cut a cut a slice through your mouth. Um, but yeah, so they, they consciously made the corners of Doritos soft, or not soft, but rounded.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: This is from Wikipedia: in the costliest redesign in Frito-Lay history, in 1994 the company spent $50 million to redesign Doritos to make the chips 20% larger, 15% thinner, and rounded the edges of the chip.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">$50 million. Is that what you said?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">$50 million.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Wow.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So it&#8217;s expensive to switch things up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I mean, especially if you&#8217;re manufacturing at that scale.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly. So that could maybe be an indicator that there would definitely be some kind of clearer paper trail if Quaker foods had gone through the trouble of changing Cap&#8217;n Crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">it would be in the system.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You would think it would be in the system. So that could indicate that it&#8217;s just all in our collective imaginations that it&#8217;s become smaller and Jason thinks that&#8217;s just as likely.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I do know that people can collectively have a misconception about something. You know, it&#8217;s like the Berenstein bears, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Right, exactly. The Mandela effect.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes!! The Mandela effect!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Yep.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: So there was a, there was a flavor of nerds, not to segue off, but there was a flavor of nerds from the late eighties called hot and cold nerds that people would talk about, people would reference, \u201cYou know, you remember hot and cold nerds? It was one side was peppermint, the other side was hot cinnamon,\u201d and everyone was calling them hot and cold nerds. They were on the Wikipedia, hot and cold nerds. I made it my mission to try to find hot and cold nerds, and it took me a few years and I would find little bits and pieces, but I finally found them. When I finally found them, they weren&#8217;t called hot and cold nerds. They were hot and cool Nerds, and no one remembered that they were called cool.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Huh.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: That\u2019s interesting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So at this point, I almost give up. But I decided to bump the thread with Quaker foods, and I tell them that I have a deadline and I need to know the answer, and they get back to me pretty quickly. They say, \u201cwe CAN confirm that the size of the individual pieces in Cap&#8217;n Crunch have not changed and certainly not gotten smaller.\u201d And then they said, \u201cgiven the tight deadline, unfortunately, we are not able to participate in an audio interview, but if you&#8217;d like, we can send you a quick note from the Cap\u2019n himself via email.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my God, yes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thank you. So this seems like it could be an answer, right? They said, \u201cwe can confirm that the size of the individual pieces of Cap&#8217;n Crunch have not changed and certainly not gotten smaller.\u201d But do you guys find anything suspicious about this email from Quaker foods?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s the \u201ccertainly not gotten smaller\u201d that\u2019s weird to me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: And you know that the formula has changed because of the hydrogenated oils.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, exactly. I just didn&#8217;t trust this. I&#8217;m sorry. They were all very nice to me, but I don&#8217;t trust them. So I decide the only way to know for sure is to get my hands on an old box from the \u201890s. And I asked Jason if he has a plug.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s the only way to be sure, Billy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, I mean, would you happen to know where I could possibly obtain a vintage unopened box of Cap&#8217;n Crunch?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, one guy, um, who you could talk to, um, would be, um. This guy is awesome. You know, he&#8217;s absolutely a fantastic cereal guy. Yeah, there is. Okay. His name is Gabe Fonseca.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So I reached out to Gabe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Gabe is like a juggernaut in the cereal collecting community, but he&#8217;s also a successful TV writer and producer, and he gets back to me and he says, \u201cI&#8217;m just really swamped with a project right now. I&#8217;d love to help you, but I can&#8217;t until the new year.\u201d But I&#8217;m looking at his YouTube page right now, and I found a video where he opens a box of Cap&#8217;n Crunch from the \u201890s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> No!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Yeah! Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Gabe [in YouTube video]: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In the 90s they had triple crunch, with three separate bags inside each with a popular flavor: Crunch Berries, Regular, and Peanut Butter. Let&#8217;s take a look.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It&#8217;s triple crunch, so it&#8217;s not just like regular Cap&#8217;n Crunch. It&#8217;s, there&#8217;s one skinny sleeve of regular Cap&#8217;n Crunch, one of crunch berries, and one of peanut butter crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But it&#8217;s the same Cap&#8217;n Crunch that my sister would be remembering from the \u201890s and he opened an unopened box of it with the bag unopened.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Gabe [in YouTube video]: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Here you can see original crunch Berry cereal with just red berries.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It looks bigger.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh yeah, that looks definitely bigger. Like at least two times bigger. This is a smoking gun.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know, but he said he couldn&#8217;t help me out.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. I have an idea. In this photo, in the screenshot from this video, you can clearly see a side view of a bunch of the pillows here, but you can also see there are some like absolute features of the box that we know the scale hasn&#8217;t changed on. So like the ridges on the top of the bags are all the same, probably the same height.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I would venture to guess that he kept this box. He doesn&#8217;t seem like he would throw away a box.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John:\u00a0 <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay! Yes!! All he has to do then, since this box is right against these things, is measure the captain&#8217;s head for scale, and then you compare that to the height of one of these pillows.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why doesn&#8217;t he just measure one?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, he doesn&#8217;t have the cereal anymore. I don&#8217;t know. I think this is enough information to measure the size of a, of a crunch.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, well let me do that. I&#8217;ll email him right now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[music break]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">All right, so Gabe got back to me. Within an hour, he responded\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">that was faster than I&#8217;ve ever responded to an email.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: I know.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Even the easy ones.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I know, he must really be procrastinating a deadline right now. He said, \u201cLooks like 1.375 inches from the top of his hat to his chin.\u201d So he gave me the exact measurement of Cap\u2019n Crunch\u2019s head on the top tab of the box.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Of his box from the \u201890s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So let me share this image with you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. Nice. Gabe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes. So he put a clear ruler over the top, you can see the exact measurement of it. So I took the photo he sent with the measurement and I overlaid that over the top of the screenshot of him from the video where he&#8217;s holding up the box where he still has a cereal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The cereal is right behind it, sort of on the same plane. So I, I overlayed his image on the YouTube image. So once I did that, I moved it and I also overlaid my own measurement of a current piece of Cap&#8217;n Crunch. So here is my Photoshop.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Oh wow.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">And. They are both almost exactly a half of an inch. There&#8217;s obviously some slight variation from piece to piece in any box, but the variation is so small and the changes between the two pieces I measured is so small that it seems like if you were able to take out all of the pieces from both boxes and average it out, that the difference between them, if anything, would be extremely minimal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You know, Pete was saying he thought it should be three to four times bigger. My sister said she remembered it being 50% bigger. It seems like it never was.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Dammit. Mandela effect.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay, so did we solve it?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I mean, I think so. We got their official statement. We did our own measuring of the size and regarding the mouth feel issue, they said it&#8217;s never been crunchier.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">so it was all just an illusion.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay but with the mouthfeel stuff, you had this theory about removing hydrogenated oils from the ingredients.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah, I mean, that is the only change I could find in the ingredients. The only thing that might indicate something that changes the way it interacts with your mouth, but I asked Quaker about that specifically, and this is what they said, \u201cHey, Billy. Unfortunately, we aren&#8217;t able to share that level of detail on ingredients. We recommend that you refer to the product\u2019s packaging for the most current list of ingredients.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Like we hadn&#8217;t done that already.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yeah. So they&#8217;re kind of dodging that question. But, in terms of the size and the general mouthfeel, I think it&#8217;s safe to say it&#8217;s basically the same as it ever was.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[ music break ]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So with all of this evidence, I returned to Lisa and Pete to deliver, I guess the bad news, that their conspiracy was wrong.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Hi. How are you doing?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Good. Are, are you ready for the answer?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0I am ready for the answer.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m sad to say, based on my estimations\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> Billy\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">There has been no noticeable change in size. It\u2019s not exactly one to one..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Billy!!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Yes?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It makes no sense that Cap&#8217;n Crunch is this small. You understand that, right?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I, I know.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It seems like an unnatural size for cereal.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. But what I&#8217;m trying to tell you is..<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> I need that media email address.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Okay. I&#8217;ll, I&#8217;ll give it to you.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">They need to be told. Anyway. Sorry. Continue.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">\u00a0I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re having an emotional reaction. That&#8217;s good. You know, that&#8217;s good for radio, but yeah, no. What I&#8217;m trying to tell you is, through both the official word from Quaker Foods and from my independent investigation, it seems like there has been no real change to the size of Cap&#8217;n Crunch, uh, especially since the \u201890s.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Interesting.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Are you disappointed?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I&#8217;m shocked. Um, yeah. I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m shocked. Um, I&#8217;m just surprised. They just seem small. Um, and they seem like they should be larger. It&#8217;s just surprising that they haven&#8217;t downsized them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Well, I figured it might be kind of a bummer to be told that this may have all been in your head. So two things. 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The crunch is calling, so I must\u2026 Away!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Oh my god.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Justin (as Cap\u2019n Crunch): <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Cap\u2019n Horatio Magellan Crunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">[Laughing] Billy, that&#8217;s incredible.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So there ya go.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Lisa<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">: Is that the best gift you&#8217;ve ever been given, Pete?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pete:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> It\u2019s amazing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Regina: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks for listening. Underunderstood is reported and produced by Adrianne Jeffries, John Lagomarsino, Billy Disney and me, Regina Dellea.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">A big thank you to Phil Robibero who did custom art for this episode, and you can see that on underunderstood.com along with all of the images and things we referenced on the show today.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Jason: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">If you have a burning question that the internet can&#8217;t answer yet, shoot us an email. We&#8217;re hello@underunderstood.com. We might just look into it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Adrianne: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">You can find us all over the internet on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, and on Reddit where we&#8217;re going to start hanging out more.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Billy: <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Thanks again. 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